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Old 01-04-2011, 02:14 PM   #1
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Title: Core i5-2500K vs. Phenom II X4 975 BE CPU Review
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"Intel is launching this month their new CPUs based on the "Sandy Bridge" architecture. Let's check the performance of the new Core i5-2500K (3.3 GHz) and compare it to its main competitor from AMD, th..."

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Old 01-04-2011, 02:29 PM   #2
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Time to upgrade your systems, guys.
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:02 PM   #3
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"Operating System Configuration
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what sort of wierd screen are you using?
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lol now i actually read the review. very well done like usual.

it was obvious the intel would crush the amd

(i have an amd computer, so no im not a fanboy)!!!

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Old 01-06-2011, 04:01 AM   #6
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Just wait until BD it'll be released. From what I've heard so far, BD is a real beast. Believe me

PS: first (unofficial) benchmarks: february 2011
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The review on Hardware Secrets suggested that the 975 when used for PC games was on par with the 2500k several times (when paired with the GT430). I found this rather interesting since reviews using a high end graphics card gave the 2500k an advantage in FPS. I'm curious as to why the Phenom II pulls ahead at low settings and low-end graphics cards.


I understand that the relative difference in CPU's affecting the FPS on systems with high end graphics cards is smaller than at the low end (A 10 fps increase from 20 fps is much more important than a 50 fps from 100 fps), but I guess I wonder how often people combine budget GPUs with higher end CPUs. It seems like testing CPUs for gaming provides little external validity since you either have to create an unusual situation (like a Core i5 paired with a ~$75 GPU) or deal with diminishing returns (ex: Tom's Metro 2033 benchmark with a 13 fps difference between the 2600k and 970 which is only a 20% boost at a game already running over 60 fps.)


I guess where I'm going with this is if we approach computer hardware benchmarks with a pseudo-scientific methods, should we also be mindful of actual scientific concepts such as external validity?
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Old 01-10-2011, 05:34 AM   #8
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I'm curious as to why the Phenom II pulls ahead at low settings and low-end graphics cards.
My guess is that the graphics card is the main bottleneck, and then any difference lies in how well the CPU and motherboard handle that card.

IMO this review match the right CPUs to each other, although the cost comparison gets a little skewed if you also count the motherboard into the cost. A motherboard with AMD 890FX can be had at almost $100 less than one featuring Intel P67.
The comparison is thus between a ~$300 Phenom II build vs a ~$400 2500K...

I also found a slight miss in the description on page 1:
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... the standard model with a locked clock multiplier.
It's not just the multiplier that's been locked, but the BCLK itself! From what I've read nobody's (yet) been able to push the base clock above 106 MHz on a standard model Sandy Bridge.

This Core i5-2500K in itself seems like a very good CPU, no doubt about it!
What does reduce the "hallelujah" feeling is that it will require a new motherboard, and we have no idea how long it will take for the current socket 1155 motherboards to become obsolete...

The Phenom II X4 can be mounted and run (with somewhat limited performance) on an older motherboard with socket AM2+.
If using a new higher end socket AM3 motherboard, the CPU can likely be replaced with a Bulldozer later on.

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