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Old 06-13-2011, 02:58 PM   #1
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"So far, MSI has released only two motherboards based on the new AMD 990FX chipset, one for the top mainstream market (990FXA-GD65), and one for the high-end market (990FXA-GD80). Let's take a look at ..."

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Old 06-13-2011, 04:49 PM   #2
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Just today I decided I was finished waiting, and ordered the Asus 990FX Sabertooth. I looked at the details of MSI's offerings on their site, and just wasn't impressed. For $5 less (Newegg pricing), you give up two years of warranty, SLI, and an assortment of ports. That's obviously a really bad deal.
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:32 PM   #3
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Doesn't the 990 chip supports HT 3.1 technology whereas the 890 chip supports HT 3.0?
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:39 PM   #4
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Quotes from the review:

"The AMD 990FX chipset is basically an AMD 890FX chipset with a new name. There are no new features."
"The AMD 990FX chipset is a two-chip solution. The south bridge chip is an SB950 chip, which is a renamed SB850."
"So, even though the chipset is the same, 890FX motherboards won’t support this new generation of AMD processors."

Given the statements are correct (I'm not questioning them) for all the grief Intel receives due to changing CPU sockets, we are seeing the same bottom line here from AMD, new CPU, new mother board. So much for the backwards compatibility of AMD CPUs and their mother boards.

The same CPU socket and chipset features, with the only updates to the chipset for the new CPU, why does this feel worse than Intel's new CPU requirements? Sure the AMD chipset is good, but no new features? While Intel has moved on to the integrated one-chip chipset, AMD still uses two chips. Are there any new AMD chipsets on the horizon?

Quote from the HS Bulldozer Architecture article:

"So while AMD will call a CPU that has one of these modules a “dual-core” CPU, in reality the CPU isn’t true a dual-core product, because there aren’t two complete and complete (separate?) CPUs inside the product. The “dual-core” name in this case will be used for marketing purposes, to make sure the consumer understands that although this Bulldozer-based CPU isn’t a true “dual-core” model, it should perform like one."


That is... interesting. I sure hope AMD's new CPUs are competitive, they've been able to see their target all along so they really don't have any excuses.
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Quotes from the review:

"The AMD 990FX chipset is basically an AMD 890FX chipset with a new name. There are no new features."
"The AMD 990FX chipset is a two-chip solution. The south bridge chip is an SB950 chip, which is a renamed SB850."
"So, even though the chipset is the same, 890FX motherboards won’t support this new generation of AMD processors."

Given the statements are correct (I'm not questioning them) for all the grief Intel receives due to changing CPU sockets, we are seeing the same bottom line here from AMD, new CPU, new mother board. So much for the backwards compatibility of AMD CPUs and their mother boards.

The same CPU socket and chipset features, with the only updates to the chipset for the new CPU, why does this feel worse than Intel's new CPU requirements? Sure the AMD chipset is good, but no new features? While Intel has moved on to the integrated one-chip chipset, AMD still uses two chips. Are there any new AMD chipsets on the horizon?

Quote from the HS Bulldozer Architecture article:

"So while AMD will call a CPU that has one of these modules a “dual-core” CPU, in reality the CPU isn’t true a dual-core product, because there aren’t two complete and complete (separate?) CPUs inside the product. The “dual-core” name in this case will be used for marketing purposes, to make sure the consumer understands that although this Bulldozer-based CPU isn’t a true “dual-core” model, it should perform like one."


That is... interesting. I sure hope AMD's new CPUs are competitive, they've been able to see their target all along so they really don't have any excuses.
Newer Bulldozer CPU's aren't Backward compatible but older AM3 CPU's will work in the new Socket AM3+ mobo's so I don't see your problem
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Quotes from the review:
"So, even though the chipset is the same, 890FX motherboards won’t support this new generation of AMD processors."
Given the statements are correct (I'm not questioning them) for all the grief Intel receives due to changing CPU sockets, we are seeing the same bottom line here from AMD, new CPU, new mother board. So much for the backwards compatibility of AMD CPUs and their mother boards.
The quoted statement isn't the entire truth.

Many of the older chipsets, including 890FX, can support FX processors on socket AM3 (after a BIOS update). (Much like some socket AM2+ motherboards support AM3 CPUs and AM2 motherboards support AM2+ CPUs.)
The possible issue can be related to CPU power supply. AMD doesn't guarantee that older motherboards will work with FX CPUs, but it's up to the motherboard manufacturers to tell which boards will work.
I also expect that there are one or two features (like the new "Turbo") of the FX CPUs that won't be fully functional with older chipsets.

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Doesn't the 990 chip supports HT 3.1 technology whereas the 890 chip supports HT 3.0?
AMD sent me an email explaining that the 990FX is simply a renamed 890FX, and no modifications were done.

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The quoted statement isn't the entire truth.

Many of the older chipsets, including 890FX, can support FX processors on socket AM3 (after a BIOS update). (Much like some socket AM2+ motherboards support AM3 CPUs and AM2 motherboards support AM2+ CPUs.)
The possible issue can be related to CPU power supply. AMD doesn't guarantee that older motherboards will work with FX CPUs, but it's up to the motherboard manufacturers to tell which boards will work.
I also expect that there are one or two features (like the new "Turbo") of the FX CPUs that won't be fully functional with older chipsets.

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That is correct. Socket AM3+ CPUs have new power requirements.
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Would've loved to see it tested on AMD's new CPU, though.

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Would've loved to see it tested on AMD's new CPU, though.
These CPUs were not launched yet.
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Newer Bulldozer CPU's aren't Backward compatible but older AM3 CPU's will work in the new Socket AM3+ mobo's so I don't see your problem
My observations are zero apparent changes to the chipset, which could have been improved in capabilities or features. I suppose I am accustomed to Intel's never ending changes and evolution of their chipsets, so the difference catches my attention. Regardless, this does not impress me.

Also, this "isn't a true dual core model" architecture which is being labeled as dual core for "marketing reasons" (AMD's words) which "should perform like one" certainly catches my attention. Perhaps it will be just fine or even better than a true dual core, but IMO the controversy over this has not yet begun, and I would not be surprised if the attorneys working for that other company are preparing some paper work regarding this right now.

OTOH, AMD may be missing an opportunity to market this as an evolution in CPU architecture, but their current statements sound more like an apology, and a nod towards pacifying the ignorant masses, rather than kindling interest in enthusiasts.
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